Mia Northrop on mastering the logistics

Mia Northrop

The same schedule at each house was just kind of like a grounding thing for them to sort of know what was happening each day and not feel like they were just flowing with the wind.

Laura Jenkins

In the blend is a podcast series that helps parents navigate life within a blended family. Join me as I speak with experts and guests to get practical advice on how to have a harmonious blended family life. This series dives deep into the unique dynamics, logistics and challenges of raising a blended family. From new partners to juggling mixed finances, we will help guide you through it.

Hello, and welcome to In The blend. Today we are going to explore something I’m personally always trying to refine in my quest to bring more harmony and less stress into our blended family life and that is the subject of life admin.

We all know keeping on top of life admin can be tricky at the best of times, let alone when you have children going back and forth between two houses. It may be that you have multiple children schedules to keep across ex partners to keep informed as things happen throughout the week and kids belongings to keep track of in multiple places.

My guest today is a trained coach who partners with professionals and working parents to streamline their life admin so they can win back more free time, save money and nurture household harmony. She is the co host of the popular Life Admin Life Hacks podcast and co author of The Life Admin Hacks book, both of which provide a wealth of tips and a systematic approach to master your life admin and seamlessly organise your personal life. She is also co parenting with an ex partner, so totally gets it.

Hi, Mia, and welcome to In The blend. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Mia Northrop

It’s such a pleasure, Laura.

Laura Jenkins

Well, Mia, for those who don’t know, I would say you are one of the Queen’s of life admin here in Australia, and also co author of the book Life admin life hacks, and your own podcast as well on the very same topic. And as I was just saying to you, when I discovered your podcast, I actually binge listened to the entire thing. And I’ve found so many of the strategies that you offer immensely helpful in keeping on top of it all. So Mia, I was really interested in speaking with you today as I think blended families in particular, can benefit from your advice. And I know from my personal experience that the admin can feel like it doubles when there are two households and sets of routines to navigate.

So something that’s been a challenge for us over the years is keeping track of belongings, my partner Matt’s kids across two different households. And we’ve been doing a week on a week off. And you know, there’s been many a time when a school hat has been left behind at our place. And Matt has to do a dad mad dash to drop it off. Or only one school shirt comes back and you need two for the week. Or you know, you’re spending money on kids clothes, and then you never see them again, as well. So I would love to know, how do you manage all of that and come up with a system?

Mia Northrop

Great question. Great question, Laura. You do kind of need a system. And that was kind of the triggers for the book Life Admin Hacks and the podcast. We need systems to manage all of this personal and household admin because it’s overwhelming. So many people get stressed out about it. And I co hosts the podcast with Dinah, we wrote the book together. She has two kids, she’s married, I have two kids, I’m separated. And we weave that through both the podcast and the book and talk about it from a different perspective. So it’s like this is what works for her household. And this is what looks like you know household where we have a co parenting arrangement. So yeah, I’m glad that you found the podcast helpful because it does give you options and you can hear what other people do.

When it comes to clothes a little bit of trial and error here. We like to break it down into the categories of clothes you’ve got going on. So when it comes to things like pyjamas and casual clothes, we have total separate we have totally separate gear at each house. So my kids will have you know, some summer pyjamas and winter pyjamas and casual stuff at my house. And then their dad buys them what he likes with casual clothes and they have their own pyjamas and robes and whatever. Sometimes my daughter (like she’s older, she’s in grade six now), she’ll fall in love with a piece of clothing and it has to come back and forth between the houses. But for the most part, it’s just separate. And my kids aren’t really into clothes. We’re not big shoppers, so they actually have a lot of clothes. So it hasn’t been too expensive. It’s mostly Uniqlo and Kmart, you know. So they do have totally separate clothes.

But there are things that go back and forth between the homes. The shoes go back and forth because with kids are really fussy with their shoes. And we’re not buying double of everything when they grow up in six months. The iPads and Nintendo’s go back to each house, and whatever book they’re reading at the time, and then my daughter’s school uniform. So she’s started in a private school this year. Those uniforms cost a small fortune. I’m not buying two blazers, you know, four sets of everything. So her things do come back and forth. And then the extracurricular stuff. So netball uniforms, soccer uniform, that stuff goes back and forth.

And we found that, you know, even though we have my son, you know, his school uniform, I have a full set, his dad has a full set. And we’d make the most of those secondhand stalls that come up at school where everything’s five bucks, and you just go get extra, whatever. So he’s good to go. But still, I realised today, somehow, I have no socks for him. I don’t know where they’ve gone. I’m always buying five packs of socks. And we have none. So I will drop by his dad’s house I think this afternoon and just go and find where the hell are all the socks. It’s always the socks.

And you know what, once a year, we haven’t been reconciliation. Because, you know, there does seem to be this drift even though we have, you know, we do week on week off as well. And we have a Friday swap over. So whatever, you know, school uniform stuff is we’re wearing and like we’ve got their backpacks, and we’ve got their lunch boxes, still, somehow things go missing. So once a year, we will literally empty their wardrobes, put everything on the floor, divvy everything up into its categories. So here’s all the T shirts, here’s all the jeans, here’s all the shorts. And there’s eight shorts, you have four, I have four, there’s four jeans, you have two I have two. So we do that once a year as well. And that’s a good opportunity to declutter, because at that time, often there’ll be a bunch of things that don’t fit anymore, and will realise that the kids don’t like wearing you know, X, Y and Z, they don’t want it anymore. So it’s a good time to declutter as well. And get rid of some stuff. And we tend to do that in the lead up to the Christmas holidays, because then you are Christmas, because then we know what they need for Christmas. And we’re like, okay, they’ve grown out of their whatever, or we don’t have any t shirts left. So that can be some suggestions for clothes for for Christmas
presents.

Laura Jenkins

I love that. I love that that’s something that we have never done in the 10 years that we’ve been doing the back and forth with the belongings. And I love that idea of just getting together and laying it all out and doing an audit on the floor.

Mia Northrop

And doesn’t take too long, maybe like an hour for both kids things divided up. And then we bring them in and ask do you still like wearing this? Do you still like that? And yeah, and keep it as as fast as efficient as possible. No one wants it to take a minute longer than it needs to.

Laura Jenkins

And what about the items that you mentioned are going back and forth each week? How do you go about making sure you don’t leave a school hat behind, for example, or, you know, the sports shirt?

Mia Northrop

Yeah. So we have we both have iPhones. And we have a little note, a shared note in the Notes app. And it’s called ‘Change Over List’. And it has – I know your listeners can’t see this, but I’m holding up my phone and I’m showing Laura this little checklist. And it basically has all the things that need to come back and forth. So we can refer to that, that helps.

Three years ago, when we first separated, we would do all the packing for the kids. Make sure they had what they needed in their little backpacks. And now, most of the packing they do, I will say you know, “Dad’s coming in an hour”, or “I’m dropping you to Dad’s in an hour, go and pack your bags. They get it right most of the time. I’ll you know, review it with them before we head out the door to make sure they haven’t forgotten something. But yeah, we just use these lists. And I share these lists with them as well. So they can remember.

Laura Jenkins

In terms of the handover, are there any other suggestions or tips, you might have to make this a smooth process and ensure that as well as the belongings, any additional information for the upcoming week is passed over as well?

Mia Northrop

Yeah, we experimented with handover in a few different ways. First of all, when we first separated, we do like a two/three custody arrangement where the kids were with one parent for two days, and then the next for two days and then the other for the three days over the weekend. And that was when they were little and kind of just missed the other parent too much to be away from them for the full week. So we were changing over a lot. And there’s a lot of stuff going back and forward. But we were like we just have to do this because we’re just gonna make everybody the kids happy.

And then we move to a week-on-week-off arrangement. And initially we were swapping over on a Sunday afternoon because we thought oh, you know, you’ll just spend the full week you know, together and then swap on Sunday. On Sundays we found that it kind of had this anxiety over the weekend sort of waiting for the changeover period, and will kind of muck up your weekend plans because he couldn’t do anything that went too long on a Sunday. And then you’d spend one night together, and then you’re back into the, you know, the logistics of the working school week, the working week, and you didn’t get really that time to just hang out and connect.

So we actually swapped over to doing the changeover on a Friday afternoon. So we’ll go and pick the kids up from school and their gear at the same time I’ll run past their dad’s house or if it’s the other way around, he’ll bump past my house, pick up their gear, pick the kids up from school, and then you can just settle into the weekend together and kind of reconnect and change rhythm together.

Because it’s such a big change, I had little music playlists that I used to play to myself to get into headspace of like, alright, it’s about to be kids week, or it’s about to be non-kid week, because it was such a big energy shift and mindset shift and lots of emotions around it. So I had to play myself a little music to get into it.

Anyway, Friday afternoon is way better, because you’re picking them up from this sort of neutral space, you get to chill out on the weekend together and then go into the school week. So that was the first thing we had to sort out – what day and what time actually works for us.

In terms of setting each other up for the next week, we use a shared Google Calendar to put all the details of the events in. And mostly the events or school things or their extracurricular things, or it’s their, you know, their burgeoning little social lives. And we set a rule that I’m responsible for my daughter’s stuff. And my ex-husband is responsible for my son’s stuff. So anything that comes in from the school or to do with his social life or his sport commitments, he will handle and I’ll handle it for my daughter. So in the Google Calendar, if something comes in from the school about, you know, a camp or athletics, whatever it is, I’ll put it in the shared calendar. So we can both see it. Regardless if it happens during our time with the kids or their time, we just pop it in their calendar. And I have it set up so that when I look at my personal calendar, it’s importing the details on the shared family calendar as well. So it’s like it’s one stop shop, I can see everything. And when we put the details in, we try and put as much info as possible. So like, this birthday party? Where is it? What do they have to wear? Have you bought a present already? Like that goes into the little event, the meeting request. So you know whether you have to go and buy another box of Lego or voucher or whatever it is, and you don’t have that mad scramble an hour before the party has to happen. Yes, that works mostly for the for the most part. If there’s random things that pop up, I’ll just send my ex partner a message and a text message. And usually that gets a response.

Laura Jenkins

Yes. Just coming back to the Google Calendar. I know in your book, you talk about the shared inbox idea, as well, which I thought was a really a really great idea to have that sort of central separate spot for everything child related. Do you continue to do the shared inbox now that you’re separated?

Mia Northrop

Yeah, we do. So one of the things we suggest just to get your life admin under control generally, is to create a separate life admin email address, so that you can get your bills, correspondence from schools and organisations sent to this neutral space where you can share it with your partner, and keep it out of your personal email address. So there are all sorts of benefits relate to that, whether you’re in an intact family or a blended family, or you’re single, or whatever it might be.

And so we have one set up that is shared and all of the communications from their school and their sports stuff goes in there. So I’m looking at ours now. There’s house athletics, soccer and stuff for term, there’s a camp coming up, there’s like notifications, grades for different subjects. And that all goes into a shared space that we can see. I’m responsible for actioning anything related to my daughter, their dad’s responsible for actioning anything related to our son. And that because we’re using that Google Gmail account, it’s actually attached to Google Drive. And we use that space to keep any documents that we both need to access. So each kid has a folder in Google Drive, and that’s where we keep school reports, immunisation history statements, your medical info, whatever it might be, all that kind of stuff goes into the Google Drive as well. So each parent can access it if they need
to.

Laura Jenkins

Fantastic. That’s so it sounds so easy and so well coordinated.

Mia Northrop

It’s depending on your relationship with your ex partner, you know, if you can both take responsibility and agree on what the responsibilities are. It’s been pretty seamless, because it is this one-stop-shop for all that info. And there’s just this transparency, you know, I don’t feel like there’s no information that I can’t get to or I’m feeling, you know, in the dark about things. And likewise for him, he has access to whatever he needs, so he can make decisions for the kids when they’re with him.

Laura Jenkins

And in your situation, you’re relying on your ex-partner to be able to go in and action, everything relating to your son, ASAP, as well. So that if it’s your week, for example, things are missing from the calendar?

Mia Northrop

Yeah. And you know, having said that, sometimes I know he’s really busy. And I’m like, “have you seen that permission thing that we need to get in?” Yeah, they’re the anomalies though.

Laura Jenkins

Fabulous. Something else I’m keen to explore is food shopping. And I know this is a big one for many people, whether you’re in a blended family or not, the whole idea of food, shopping, and meal planning. And it can become a trickier concept again, if you’ve got more people one week, less people the next week. And then the weeks that you do have more people, some don’t like this, others don’t like that. Are there any tips you can provide around managing any of that?

Mia Northrop

Yeah, we have a whole chapter dedicated to meal planning and grocery shopping in the book, because even though it is one of those things that we have to eat every day, often people don’t actually approach it in a methodical way. And it can mean that you’re scrambling to the shops at three o’clock every afternoon, or you’re sort of panicked, like, what’s for dinner at 5:30 every night, and no one wants to live that way. So big fans of meal planning, and yeah, you have to sort of recognise if you’ve got the week where it’s your week on and you’ve got all the kids, or the week off, but it’s just you, your food’s gonna look very different in terms of what you’re eating when you’re eating.

I have, again, a note on my phone that has like a little meal plan and have the table for what we’re having for dinner each night of the week. So when we talk about meal planning, we usually talk about categories first. So Monday might be pasta, Tuesday might be Mexican, Wednesday might be a barbecue, and then you just sort of think of an actual meal that aligns with that category, instead of just thinking, what shall we eat?

And those categories for me – like, what we do eat might change, but I tell you on Monday, we’re having pasta and you can bet your bottom dollar on Tuesdays, we’re having tacos. There might be something different in the tacos, but it’s gonna be tacos. Yeah, so that’s what I do with the kids. Their dads are really good cook and free forms every night, which is great. He can do that he loves cooking. I don’t. And I this was probably one of the hardest things for me to adjust to once we had this new family arrangement.

But now I have my little meal plan set up and I know what I’m buying in terms of the groceries each week, when I don’t have the kids, I tend to just eat all the leftovers of the things that they didn’t eat. And then I will just bulk cook things. So I’ll buy like 10 chicken breasts, and I’ll just bake them with a whole bunch of vegetables and make some salad and I’ll literally eat that for three days. And then we’ll go out for dinner or get takeaway or whatever. But I don’t make myself like an individual meal every night. That’s just, I’m not into that. There’s plenty of people out there who would love that who are great chefs, that’s just not me.

The other thing that I did rely on for quite some time was the meal kit services like HelloFresh and Marley Spoon. They helped the kids learn how to cook because they’re so portion controlled and have step by step instructions. So it helped the kids get in the kitchen. But also just to take some of the pressure and the stress of having to think up, you know, seven dinners for the week and cook them all and do all that food shopping. So I, you know, strongly encourage people to lean into services like that, especially if you’re going through a particular busy time or a stressful time. Make the most of those.

Laura Jenkins

I’ve found those really helpful as well over the years at various times. And I love how you can outsource the mental load piece for the meal planning.

Mia Northrop

That’s the thinking. That’s often the hardest, – what should we have – so in the book we have a template to sort of walk you through that and start with those categories and then think of the food. But you know what, there have been times when I’ve gone to the HelloFresh because they published that article and I have menus each week as they show you what we’re putting out there. And I just go and replicate it at home. I’m like, Yeah, that sounds good. I know how to cook that. You’ve just given me the ideas I needed to put some variety in the week. Yes, yeah.

Laura Jenkins

Well, that’s a hot tip. I like that one too. And, and the whole idea of having a framework for the type of meal you’re going to have, I think, is really useful as well. And then just working within that framework. So that’s one takeaway.

Mia Northrop

Yeah, for sure, as well. Think of categories. And then it doesn’t feel so overwhelming.

Laura Jenkins

No. Something else I’m keen to explore is things like medical appointments and keeping track of medical records and things like Medicare cards which most parents are never inevitably going to need those in a shared care arrangement. So would it be your Google Drive system as well, that you would recommend to keep track of that sort of information as well?

Mia Northrop

Yeah, that’s a really good question. So totally a few things you can use here, definitely the Google Drive to keep things like copies of X rays or diagnostics, pathology reports, whenever you might need to be keeping. With a Medicare card, we have a password manager that we share. So I have the actual physical Medicare cards, but we’ve taken photos of them, and we’ve stored them in the Password Manager. So most password managers that you pay for will have some kind of vault or file storage area that’s really secure. Like, obviously, you want that kind of information to be under the highest security. So we have copies of the Medicare cards in there, which their dad can access if he needs to take them to the doctor or so forth. So between the Google Drive where I’ve downloaded things like the immunisation statement histories, anything from My Health Record where you’re not sure the other parent can access that, I think that’s associated with your Medicare card, if there are records in there that are useful, that can either go to your password manager vault or your Google Drive as well.

In terms of making appointments, we tend to you know, if the kids fall sick when they’re with you, it’s like, okay, you make the appointment for a time that’s convenient for you. For things in the future, like the dentist, where it seems to always be eight weeks for next appointment. Usually, depending if you can’t find an appointment slot, that’s during your time, I’ll just have a conversation with my partner via text and say, these are the slots, which ones work for you, and do it that way. But it’s, you know, knock on wood, we haven’t had very many appointments, you know, obviously kids that do have lots of appointments. Yeah, you do need to think about a system of who’s going to have ‘who’s going to keep on top of their records’, because sometimes they need a lot of records, they might need scripts, medication to take on top of that – that might be something that you need to have a conversation about. So that you both clear on who has access to what and both of you can go and fill those scripts and the access to scripts if need be.

Laura Jenkins

Yes. And with the password manager, because you have a shared password manager with your ex partner, do you have a separate password manager for your own personal passwords as well?

Mia Northrop

Yeah. So with password managers, you can just share specific records. So 99% of my passwords are private to me. But there are specific records, and they’re all to do with the kids and streaming services, which we share. Then you can share those specific records. So he can see like, you know, 10 out of the 1000 passwords I probably have in my password manager. It does require you to have the same type of password manager – the same brand. But no, he can’t see anything else of mine. It’s all very separate. And you can share that with anyone, you know, you can invite family members or whoever it might be across your family to access certain , records if you need to.

Laura Jenkins

I like the idea of sharing the streaming services, that’s a good one too.

Mia Northrop

If they have to go back and forwards and everyone’s on Netflix or Disney, it’s just you know, it’s more economical. And we have our separate profiles. So once you have your own profile, you kind of good to go.

Laura Jenkins

Absolutely. I love that. Are there any other tips that we haven’t covered that you would like to put forward?

Mia Northrop

There’s only three areas I want to touch on. One is all the kids keepsakes, like their school report and their school photos and their certificates and their medals. You need to have a conversation about where that’s going to live. So it’s stored and it’s not scattered around because it’s nice to have a box where you have all of that stuff. So in our family, it’s me. The kids both have these big boxes from Ikea that all of that stuff goes into. And I have little albums for them for their school photos and all that kind of thing. But that kind of stuff can get lost between households. So when something comes home to the other house, you need to make sure you have a conversation about getting it so you can put it with the rest of the stuff.

The other thing that’s I think, useful, especially when the kids were littler, was having like a launch pad at home, with their school bags, or their daycare bags, and their library bags, all their various bags, and like a little visual schedule of what was happening during the week. So we used to have it in each of the kids rooms or in the hall, depending on whether stuff was being stashed. That just say, you know, Monday’s library day, Wednesday there’s music, Fridays change over day. And my son at this stage, he was he was just learning to read. So we had little pictures, so he could recognise what was happening each day. And it just gave them that sense of routine and continuity – and we had the same schedule at each house. It was just kind of like a grounding thing for them to sort of know what was happening each day and not feel like they were just flowing with the wind.

Laura Jenkins

That’s a great idea.

Mia Northrop

And the third thing is around school holidays, because that’s often when things get complicated and messy. We, you know, we have the week-on-week-off. So in the school holidays that happened during the year that are generally two weeks, three weeks, we just stick with our week-on-week-off arrangement. And it’s up to that parent to work out, you know, are they working? Are they not working? What the itinerary is, what the agenda is, it’s like, they’re yours, you work it out.

We tend to have a family holiday during the year together. And sort of negotiate ahead of time, when that might be. Often for Christmas will spend Christmas together and the school holidays at Christmas time with the endless six weeks? Yes, that’s where things kind of get can get out of sync because we’ve got relatives inter-state and we want to travel and they might come here and things get a bit more fluid over that time. But you know, it’s October now. And we’ve just started the discussion of what’s going to happen in December in January. So everyone’s clear everyone can start planning. And there’s no sort of surprises or disappointments on anyone’s behalf, who’s going to be where when. But yes, it’s worth planning that stuff ahead so that you know that you can have some downtime, you can have some family time, however you want to approach it and enjoy the holidays as well.

Laura Jenkins

And on that one do you do Christmas year-on-year-off arrangement, or there abouts?

Mia Northrop

So we’re three years in and we do it together.

Laura Jenkins

Oh, okay.

Mia Northrop

Yeah, we’ve decided that for things like birthdays and Christmas. And my experience growing up – so I grew up in a blended family as Christmas was just awkward as hell. Because we had to go off to a different parents each year, it was just weird. So we decided ‘we’re not going to do that’. We’ll just go hang out, just pop the champagne. The good thing is we’re very, we’re very amicable. And you know, it’s not like that for everybody. Everyone’s situation is very different. You work out what happens and you can make fun celebrations, regardless of how you’re approaching it. But that’s what’s working for us at the moment. Like neither of us have re-partnered, I’m sure you know, friends keep saying it’ll be different when you re-partner. And it probably will be and we’ll just cross that hurdle when we come to it.

Laura Jenkins

Absolutely. I’ve got two other questions for you. The first is on photos. And when the kids are with you, there might be things that happen. Like you go and watch them at sprint training, and they get their best time or they’ve learned how to play a new piece on the piano or something like that. Do you share any of those moments on the fly during the week with your ex partner? And if so, how? How do you do that?

Mia Northrop

Yeah, so we have a WhatsApp group set up for the grandparents that has my ex-partner in it. And so a lot of that stuff goes just to the whole wider family like everyone gets the blast of whatever proud little family moment we’re having. But yeah, I regularly just flick him little text messages with photos and he does likewise. Yes, we share those little parenting moments whether it’s a proud little moment or a WTF moment, yeah, there’s generally some text messages and images flying around. I regularly upload videos.

Laura Jenkins

Yes, yeah. We use a WhatsApp group as well with cast of thousands from the family on that one.

And, and then the other thing I was keen to ask you about was the keepsakes and whether you have a digital app or anything as well as keeping the physical items at your place?

Mia Northrop

Yeah, good question. No, I don’t, I don’t have any digital. I’m just trying to think if there’s, I mean, it depends if the certificate gets sent through and they send it digitally, they’ll often just put it in the Google Drive. But yeah, the real stuff, the little ribbons and all of that. It’s just all in a box in the box. And, and yeah,
it’s all in a box. I feel like when it comes to things like that, there’ll be people in your family who are just really passionate about it and want to keep every little thing and there are other people who could not care less. So it’s one of those areas where you’d need some self awareness to know how your ex is dialled. And who really cares about that stuff – and the flexibility should sit with them

Laura Jenkins

Possibly, yeah, absolutely.

Mia Northrop

What happens in your household for that kind of thing

Laura Jenkins

We tend to keep it all at at our place. Actually, in saying that, for school photos, we often get two sets of school photos printed. So there’s one set that goes to each house. So I think Matt’s ex-partner, keeps keeps her own collection of items at her place as well. And for a little while, I’ve been experimenting with an app I came across called Keepy, where you can take a photo of the item and you can create a profile for each child and then it stores it in a feed little bit like a social media feed. Anyone can then jump in and access that. But it relies on keeping it up to date as well. And making sure that if you’re going to use that, that you you put everything in it.

Mia Northrop

Yeah. Well, that’s a great approach. We’ll talk about that on my show, too. And in terms of the the school photos, I think it’s funny when you get the link to the packages that you can buy. Just get photos for everybody. So yeah, I’m with you on that we tend to get we tend to get one class photo, but then there’s a zillion little headshots that go to half of the family or the grandparents anybody who wants one.

Laura Jenkins

Well, Mia, that is all we have time for today. But I have so enjoyed our chat. Where can listeners go to connect with you and to access all of the wonderful content that you are putting out into the world?

Mia Northrop

Thank you so much, Laura. You can find our podcast on all of your favourite podcast platforms, it’s Life Admin Life Hacks. You can pick up the book Life Admin Hacks at your favourite bookstore; Target, Kmart, as well as Amazon and Dymocks, Books Online, Book Depository – all those places. Otherwise, find us on socials at Life Admin Life Hacks at Insta or Facebook.

Laura Jenkins

Wonderful. Thanks again. Mia.

Mia Northrop

Loved it. Laura, thank you so much for putting this out in the world. It’s so great that you’re addressing this audience with these kinds of topics. That’s all well needed.

Laura Jenkins

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